Notes from Session 5: October 26th
This session took the form, mostly, of a discussion of concept arising from a previous blog post that started out as an email communication. Link
I am trying a new method of keeping track of everything. Instead of sorting the notes linearly in time, like I have been doing, I'm going to sort them by theme and subject, with the most built-up ideas at the end.
METAPHORS BETWEEN SCIENTIFIC IDEAS AND SOCIETY
Ned asks: can we look at new ideas in science as new metaphors for how we see society?
- Discussion of Newton's Laws
- Can use science as a metaphor for aspects of life.
- Einstein: Matter and Energy are interchangeable
Caroline: described "interfaces" in composite materials and related it to how we use scientific ideas to help understand social concepts and vice versa. Then explored more of what was on the web, re: "events" as a social metaphor.
In social history - a black hole
e.g. would-be Hitler
Misunderstood ideas as social metaphors, trying to relate.
- Do analogies make us move faster from scientific ideas and in between metaphors because we are supposed to relate back and forth?
INSTANTANEOUS TIME TRAVEL
Adam: Goodbye Lenin film - If we were to leap into the future, we would just drop dead with shock.
[It is often said that any sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from magic.]
Events - would we recognize it if we arrived instantaneously? What about gradual change?
Caitlin: time travel
- slowly accelerate for 30 years, travel at lightspeed, then decelerate for 30 years, you have travelled through time.
Can we set up a WHAT IF? & SO WHAT? to explore space and time metaphor?
Perceptions of time and the universe:
- Progression of time, first viewed as linear, then curved, then as a sphere.
- We can't really say it, as we couldn't really understand it.
LANGUAGE
Shawn: described "events" and what would language be like if it was instantaneous or developed over time.
Link to story we did last week: How would the character be different, how would they speak if they arrived instantaneously?
Can language in the play represent the "event" which depends on the progress that this person has been through?
- Language is socially constructed (Wittgenstein: Philosopher)
Ned: Shakespeare simultaneously translates himself from different languages (like Latin and English)
e.g. pass me the Robertson screwdriver, the one with the flat head.
QUANTUM MECHANICS AND MULTIPLE PATHS
E.g. Promised One can progress into either Flawed Wise One or a Tyrant, etcetera.
How could a missing six years affect someone - Quantum Mechanics reference, two possible paths.
Effect of the play and changing of perceptions - they become a catalyst.
Back to Quantum Mechanics, on a personal level:
If you make a decision you regret, you have alternatives that no one ever sees.
Book: Richard Bach's "Bridge across Forever".
Films: Butterfly Effect, Sliding Doors
String Theory: The moment you go back, you are on a new string
[This is actually incorrect use of string theory, which refers to the actual particles of matter as strings or membranes, not movement through time, but whatever.]
Psychomachia: All of the characters in the play are the same person, different “strings”, referring to the idea of quantum mechanics as well.
- The journey is to reintegrate ourselves.
Film: Run Lola Run
What if the experience of Déjà vu is an actual event?
- If nobody sees something, there is no record of it.
Like "hegemony" - everyone knows whats going on.
Definition of Hegemony: Preponderant influence or Authority over others.
SOCIAL FABRIC
- This is woven from the paths that people take.
Infinite number of thread of people forming the fabric of society, metaphor to space-time.
Distortion causes spots or convergence. Coincidences can be the random collisions between people.
Dustin: Fourier Analysis of Waves: spikes in the randomness create significance. Spikes can also appear from apparent randomness.
If this map is wrapped around a sphere, then we can meet again, even at the same point (déjà vu)
- Each time the chain splits, a new choice is made.
Different strings or choices, one wants to converge, one wants to diverge.
- “binary split in the imagination”
Is the coincidence possibility space-time? Is social space-time distorted so other things are drawn into it?
The last domino is not fated to fall, it falls because of the others.
Weaving a web of necessities.
- Synchronicities.
Throw a rock in the web – throw and things will cross through
Solution: create a significantly massive event like the rock in the silk.
Caitlin: people coincide and randomly create children, who try to follow their own random paths.
Social Conservatism?
PERSONALITY ARCHETYPES
Are there only 500 selves in the world?
The threads of 500 people, make 6 or 7 billion.
Are the 500 people celebrities, which we always claim to be reincarnations of, rather than “normal” people.
What about “Master People”, the convergence of thousands of incarnations,
e.g. Shakespeare
Movie: Insignificance
Premise: Einstein, Marilyn Monroe, explains relativity to him
PROGRESS AND VARIATION
Grace: Genetics – the making of gametes (sperm or egg).
- crossing over occurs from Mom and Dad on the same chromosome
- creates variation.
Darwin said “survival of the fit”, not “survival of the fittest”
Evolution/Progress cannot create “perfection”, it is just adapting to the environment.
Evolve = not revolve = leave the circle
CONVERGENCE
Dustin: what about if people converge. Can two children born under separate circumstances converge to be the same person?
[In quantum mechanics, this sort of thing is called “resolving (the wave equation)”. Convergent evolution also occurs, which happens when two species from evolutionary backgrounds are put in the same environment and eventually evolve to develop similar biological properties.]
Education = Convergence of a person, creating them as a package.
- Culture is good as a vehicle
- Memes are cultural genes.
- Education means you are not starting by scratch.
Convergence: We have come together as a group
art of “the invisible made visible.”
Right ideas at the wrong time, e.g. Communism, converged too early, therefore CAN’T FORCE CONVERGENCE
THE CREATION OF "A NEW NORMAL"
The perfect time travellers are the audience. The play becomes, or can create, the new normal.
- The person who makes the mistake is the one most empowered to do something about it.
Theater as a laboratory of alternative realities.
Can we do this on a social scale [instead of just as a single person]?
Do we keep creating new realities?
Play: “In Camera” by Jean-Paul Sartre AKA “No Exit” or “Huis Clois” An event.
Can we as a community co-create a new normal.
FREE WILL AND DESTINY
Co-creating the NEW NORMAL, as a group of people.
- When did we realize we had free will?
- We have the option to completely annihilate, or completely self-create.
- An actor, as god, is able to create and invent the new truth.
- Actor gets to show society
Solipsism: maybe I’m the only thing that exists. So what?
What if the event horizon is realizing there is an event horizon?
- group choosing to come together, become consciousness.
- Do you wake up, or go to sleep?
How do perspectives change as we age? What can we choose as we become more aware?
- We are not aware of other decisions.
- When do you achieve self-awareness?
THREE INSTANCES OF A NEW NORMAL, WHICH IN WAYS ARE THE SAME THING
The following three anecdotes are different aspects of the same thing:
- Book: Mark Vonnegut – The Eden Express (autobiographical)
Mark Vonnegut found a commune on the North Pacific Coast, and settled down there. But he had to leave at one point, and deal with a speeding ticket. This screwed his life up.
The idea of a “Death Artist” – helps a person find their appropriate death.
- miser not sharing something as he is about to die
- Buddhist monks – “Don’t you feel bad on a lovely island, while the world around you is in a horrible state?”
What responsibility do the above three have to the outside world?
FLUID MECHANICS AND TURBULENCE
Fluid Mechanics: turbulent creates progress
- this is why utopia/stagnancy is bad.
- This is why disturbances are necessary
The part that sticks out on the front of an oil tanker is the avant-garde artist.
There is also an optimal speed that a motor boat progresses at, between planing on and sitting in the water, that is the ideal speed of progress, convergence
POSSIBILITIES FOR THE NEW NORMAL
- When the point of self-awareness is reached, there are three possibilites:
1) Go farther apart
2) Stay the same - this is boring theatrically - see TURBULENCE
3) Come back Together
- Using the expansion of the universe as a metaphor for the changing of the social fabric.
THEATRICAL IDEAS
- Actors could repeat patterns.
Audience are the Time Travellers
- In a room with strangers, they are all represented to you as people you already know.
- We analogize people to people that we already know.
Theater Technique (relating to the above):
- someone has an internal oppression
- you can recognize voices who are oppressing you internally, and represent them as someone on stage.
- Can gang up on oppressive voices, so that your situation is reversed, as a theatrical tool.
- Isolate a certain voice (like the fourier analysis) as different realities of your life, then attack and solve them individually. Can be compared to last week’s play.
SUMMARY: IDEAS THAT STUCK
Dustin: Quantum Mechanics explanation became a theatrical idea.
- Multiple lives, e.g. Quantum Mechanics.
- Events having distortions in people’s lives, seeking convergence
- Stage ideas: several different aspects of the same character, seeking for a big thing to cause convergence, the “big crunch”
Caroline: A event is hard to imagine (image of light next to a black hole)
Adam: We still have no firm definition of time. Should you spend time defining time? What happens if you think of destiny and is this an inner feeling?
ASSIGNMENT: Create a Play Idea
Containing:
- Context
- Characters (& Motivation)
- “Theatrical Conceit”
e.g. “we’re all really the same person”
Example: Donald Bartlemay “War Story”
Two guys in a bunker, lost contact with the outside world. Should they launch missiles? Also, they both have concealed weapons.
- How different or the same will what we create be?
- “We are all different journeys through the same understanding.”
WRITING PROCESS:
- when you are having ideas, have them – don’t judge them.
- Only judge ideas at the right time in the process, don’t judge your work as you go.
Reminder:
Caroline looking for Engineering Society Play Contributions, due October 31st. Link.
Here is something Kelsey sent in, which I saw a while back and was reminded about. This is relevant to do with the idea of time and free will, as well as connections between people, Watch It!. You will need sound.
EPIC 2015
Fourier Analysis Demo. This can probably help people better understand what I was talking about.
Turn on the sound!
I am trying a new method of keeping track of everything. Instead of sorting the notes linearly in time, like I have been doing, I'm going to sort them by theme and subject, with the most built-up ideas at the end.
METAPHORS BETWEEN SCIENTIFIC IDEAS AND SOCIETY
Ned asks: can we look at new ideas in science as new metaphors for how we see society?
- Discussion of Newton's Laws
- Can use science as a metaphor for aspects of life.
- Einstein: Matter and Energy are interchangeable
Caroline: described "interfaces" in composite materials and related it to how we use scientific ideas to help understand social concepts and vice versa. Then explored more of what was on the web, re: "events" as a social metaphor.
In social history - a black hole
e.g. would-be Hitler
Misunderstood ideas as social metaphors, trying to relate.
- Do analogies make us move faster from scientific ideas and in between metaphors because we are supposed to relate back and forth?
INSTANTANEOUS TIME TRAVEL
Adam: Goodbye Lenin film - If we were to leap into the future, we would just drop dead with shock.
[It is often said that any sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from magic.]
Events - would we recognize it if we arrived instantaneously? What about gradual change?
Caitlin: time travel
- slowly accelerate for 30 years, travel at lightspeed, then decelerate for 30 years, you have travelled through time.
Can we set up a WHAT IF? & SO WHAT? to explore space and time metaphor?
Perceptions of time and the universe:
- Progression of time, first viewed as linear, then curved, then as a sphere.
- We can't really say it, as we couldn't really understand it.
LANGUAGE
Shawn: described "events" and what would language be like if it was instantaneous or developed over time.
Link to story we did last week: How would the character be different, how would they speak if they arrived instantaneously?
Can language in the play represent the "event" which depends on the progress that this person has been through?
- Language is socially constructed (Wittgenstein: Philosopher)
Ned: Shakespeare simultaneously translates himself from different languages (like Latin and English)
e.g. pass me the Robertson screwdriver, the one with the flat head.
QUANTUM MECHANICS AND MULTIPLE PATHS
E.g. Promised One can progress into either Flawed Wise One or a Tyrant, etcetera.
How could a missing six years affect someone - Quantum Mechanics reference, two possible paths.
Effect of the play and changing of perceptions - they become a catalyst.
Back to Quantum Mechanics, on a personal level:
If you make a decision you regret, you have alternatives that no one ever sees.
Book: Richard Bach's "Bridge across Forever".
Films: Butterfly Effect, Sliding Doors
String Theory: The moment you go back, you are on a new string
[This is actually incorrect use of string theory, which refers to the actual particles of matter as strings or membranes, not movement through time, but whatever.]
Psychomachia: All of the characters in the play are the same person, different “strings”, referring to the idea of quantum mechanics as well.
- The journey is to reintegrate ourselves.
Film: Run Lola Run
What if the experience of Déjà vu is an actual event?
- If nobody sees something, there is no record of it.
Like "hegemony" - everyone knows whats going on.
Definition of Hegemony: Preponderant influence or Authority over others.
SOCIAL FABRIC
- This is woven from the paths that people take.
Infinite number of thread of people forming the fabric of society, metaphor to space-time.
Distortion causes spots or convergence. Coincidences can be the random collisions between people.
Dustin: Fourier Analysis of Waves: spikes in the randomness create significance. Spikes can also appear from apparent randomness.
If this map is wrapped around a sphere, then we can meet again, even at the same point (déjà vu)
- Each time the chain splits, a new choice is made.
Different strings or choices, one wants to converge, one wants to diverge.
- “binary split in the imagination”
Is the coincidence possibility space-time? Is social space-time distorted so other things are drawn into it?
The last domino is not fated to fall, it falls because of the others.
Weaving a web of necessities.
- Synchronicities.
Throw a rock in the web – throw and things will cross through
Solution: create a significantly massive event like the rock in the silk.
Caitlin: people coincide and randomly create children, who try to follow their own random paths.
Social Conservatism?
PERSONALITY ARCHETYPES
Are there only 500 selves in the world?
The threads of 500 people, make 6 or 7 billion.
Are the 500 people celebrities, which we always claim to be reincarnations of, rather than “normal” people.
What about “Master People”, the convergence of thousands of incarnations,
e.g. Shakespeare
Movie: Insignificance
Premise: Einstein, Marilyn Monroe, explains relativity to him
PROGRESS AND VARIATION
Grace: Genetics – the making of gametes (sperm or egg).
- crossing over occurs from Mom and Dad on the same chromosome
- creates variation.
Darwin said “survival of the fit”, not “survival of the fittest”
Evolution/Progress cannot create “perfection”, it is just adapting to the environment.
Evolve = not revolve = leave the circle
CONVERGENCE
Dustin: what about if people converge. Can two children born under separate circumstances converge to be the same person?
[In quantum mechanics, this sort of thing is called “resolving (the wave equation)”. Convergent evolution also occurs, which happens when two species from evolutionary backgrounds are put in the same environment and eventually evolve to develop similar biological properties.]
Education = Convergence of a person, creating them as a package.
- Culture is good as a vehicle
- Memes are cultural genes.
- Education means you are not starting by scratch.
Convergence: We have come together as a group
art of “the invisible made visible.”
Right ideas at the wrong time, e.g. Communism, converged too early, therefore CAN’T FORCE CONVERGENCE
THE CREATION OF "A NEW NORMAL"
The perfect time travellers are the audience. The play becomes, or can create, the new normal.
- The person who makes the mistake is the one most empowered to do something about it.
Theater as a laboratory of alternative realities.
Can we do this on a social scale [instead of just as a single person]?
Do we keep creating new realities?
Play: “In Camera” by Jean-Paul Sartre AKA “No Exit” or “Huis Clois” An event.
Can we as a community co-create a new normal.
FREE WILL AND DESTINY
Co-creating the NEW NORMAL, as a group of people.
- When did we realize we had free will?
- We have the option to completely annihilate, or completely self-create.
- An actor, as god, is able to create and invent the new truth.
- Actor gets to show society
Solipsism: maybe I’m the only thing that exists. So what?
What if the event horizon is realizing there is an event horizon?
- group choosing to come together, become consciousness.
- Do you wake up, or go to sleep?
How do perspectives change as we age? What can we choose as we become more aware?
- We are not aware of other decisions.
- When do you achieve self-awareness?
THREE INSTANCES OF A NEW NORMAL, WHICH IN WAYS ARE THE SAME THING
The following three anecdotes are different aspects of the same thing:
- Book: Mark Vonnegut – The Eden Express (autobiographical)
Mark Vonnegut found a commune on the North Pacific Coast, and settled down there. But he had to leave at one point, and deal with a speeding ticket. This screwed his life up.
The idea of a “Death Artist” – helps a person find their appropriate death.
- miser not sharing something as he is about to die
- Buddhist monks – “Don’t you feel bad on a lovely island, while the world around you is in a horrible state?”
What responsibility do the above three have to the outside world?
FLUID MECHANICS AND TURBULENCE
Fluid Mechanics: turbulent creates progress
- this is why utopia/stagnancy is bad.
- This is why disturbances are necessary
The part that sticks out on the front of an oil tanker is the avant-garde artist.
There is also an optimal speed that a motor boat progresses at, between planing on and sitting in the water, that is the ideal speed of progress, convergence
POSSIBILITIES FOR THE NEW NORMAL
- When the point of self-awareness is reached, there are three possibilites:
1) Go farther apart
2) Stay the same - this is boring theatrically - see TURBULENCE
3) Come back Together
- Using the expansion of the universe as a metaphor for the changing of the social fabric.
THEATRICAL IDEAS
- Actors could repeat patterns.
Audience are the Time Travellers
- In a room with strangers, they are all represented to you as people you already know.
- We analogize people to people that we already know.
Theater Technique (relating to the above):
- someone has an internal oppression
- you can recognize voices who are oppressing you internally, and represent them as someone on stage.
- Can gang up on oppressive voices, so that your situation is reversed, as a theatrical tool.
- Isolate a certain voice (like the fourier analysis) as different realities of your life, then attack and solve them individually. Can be compared to last week’s play.
SUMMARY: IDEAS THAT STUCK
Dustin: Quantum Mechanics explanation became a theatrical idea.
- Multiple lives, e.g. Quantum Mechanics.
- Events having distortions in people’s lives, seeking convergence
- Stage ideas: several different aspects of the same character, seeking for a big thing to cause convergence, the “big crunch”
Caroline: A event is hard to imagine (image of light next to a black hole)
Adam: We still have no firm definition of time. Should you spend time defining time? What happens if you think of destiny and is this an inner feeling?
ASSIGNMENT: Create a Play Idea
Containing:
- Context
- Characters (& Motivation)
- “Theatrical Conceit”
e.g. “we’re all really the same person”
Example: Donald Bartlemay “War Story”
Two guys in a bunker, lost contact with the outside world. Should they launch missiles? Also, they both have concealed weapons.
- How different or the same will what we create be?
- “We are all different journeys through the same understanding.”
WRITING PROCESS:
- when you are having ideas, have them – don’t judge them.
- Only judge ideas at the right time in the process, don’t judge your work as you go.
Reminder:
Caroline looking for Engineering Society Play Contributions, due October 31st. Link.
Here is something Kelsey sent in, which I saw a while back and was reminded about. This is relevant to do with the idea of time and free will, as well as connections between people, Watch It!. You will need sound.
EPIC 2015
Fourier Analysis Demo. This can probably help people better understand what I was talking about.
Turn on the sound!
posted by Dustin at 3:54 p.m.
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Hello everyone,
I have a couple things to share with you. I have started reading a book called Certain Fragments about performance and theatre. I am going to leave you with a couple of quotations that I found particularly fascinating and appropriate to the discussion that was started this Wednesday past.
"To witness an event is to be present at it in some fundamentally ethical way, to feel the weight of things and one's place in them, even if that place is simply, for the moment, as an on-looker."
"Performance employs the concept and experience of the live event as a way to rehearse our obligations to the scenes we witness in realms usually labeled representational or mediated."
"The pschoanalytic account of witnessing trauma argues that witnessing only occurs well after the trauma itself has ceased... To solicit a response in a theatre event requires one to trust that the border of the performance exceeds its spatial and temporal boundaries."
Another interesting thing that a friend of mine mentioned to me was that there are people in this world that due to a condition or illness can in a sense be transported through time or space. For whatever reason they lose track of conscious reality and when they are again aware of their surroundings they have no idea how they got their or what they are doing; in a sense they were transported there and are shocked when consciousness sets in.
I just want to add a quick note about the language that I have used. When writing I was aware that words like time, space, and consciousness are defined in a conventional way that excludes the internal reality that might exist contrary to the "real" world of physical existence.
Shawn
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